EDGAR MITCHELL ON AUDIO: “Subsequently, one of my other colleagues encountered this admiral in Las Vegas.”
I listened over 120 hours of radio/podcast interviews with Edgar Mitchell for almost 4 months. This is what I found!
Research on the Wilson Leak continues. On June 23, 2019, prominent Australian researcher Keith Basterfield revealed on his blog via James Rigney that “The Wilson/Davis Leak” came from the files of the late Apollo 14 astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell. This claim could have a logical basis, since back in 2002 both Davis and Mitchell were members of Robert Bigelow’s private organization National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS). From that perspective, it is possible that at some point Davis shared a copy of his notes with Mitchell (Update: Based on subsequent discoveries, it seems that copy has been shared with Mitchell by another NIDS member Hal Puthoff - on that point check the section below this page related to investigative journalist Ross Coulthart).
However, the document became a topic of a heated debate ever since it was originally discovered on an image sharing platform Imgur. Others with opposing views rejected the premise of the claimed origin and authenticity. Even if the document really came from the Mitchell’s files, they doubted he was aware about the actual context or alleged importance. Due to some ambiguity of known facts, alternative theories were also proposed.
On July 8, 2020, I published a blog piece titled “Encounter in Las Vegas”. The piece deals with my discovery of the 2010 interview with Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell, published in the H+ Magazine and written by journalist Lisa Rein. Within the article, Dr. Mitchell stated that his “another contact … encountered the Admiral in Las Vegas.” This is most likely a reference towards the Davis/Wilson meeting. This important snippet gives additional credence to the allegation that the Wilson Leak actually came from Dr. Mitchell’s archives and that he was aware about its importance and context. At the time, researcher James Iandoli also featured my discovery on his Engaging the Phenomenon Youtube channel.
But as I said, all those video references were still relatively ambiguous. From the middle of June 2020, I started to listen a big batch of radio/podcast interviews with Dr. Edgar Mitchell dating back from 1990s to 2010s. Some of those are not online anymore, but were preserved in my archives. After almost 4 months of intensive work, I went over 120 hours of shows and finally got what I was aiming for: discovery of an audio remark made by Mitchell with more clarity towards the alleged Davis/Wilson meeting.
The discovered reference comes from the radio show “We Are Not Alone” that I am actually following and archiving for years. It is hosted by researcher David Twichell and airs every first Tuesday of each month at 12:00 PM EST on WHFR.FM radio (the show is currently on hold due to COVID).
David kindly gave me a permission to extract the relevant audio clipping with Mitchell. The episode was aired on October 5, 2010 – the same month when the H+ interview with Lisa Rein happened too. Lisa and David pressed Mitchell more with their follow-up questions compared with all other interviewers that I had the opportunity to listen. Their focused approach led to additional discussion on the Admiral Wilson and an important Las Vegas reference.
Here is the relevant audio clipping and the transcript of the “Las Vegas” reference that I extracted from the entire episode.
DAVID TWICHELL: Okay, so then you went to the Pentagon, told your story, asked someone at the Pentagon. Who'd you ask?
EDGAR MITCHELL: Well, I was, I asked to brief-- to talk to the Intelligence Committee of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And, and now, what are some other gentlemen I was with? Dave? I'm blanking on names right now. Sorry.
DAVID TWICHELL: But someone in the know.
EDGAR MITCHELL: Yeah, in the know, a military guys. And also UFO guys.
DAVID TWICHELL: Okay.
EDGAR MITCHELL: And we asked for a meeting in the Pentagon with the Joint Chiefs of Staff intelligence committee. Got it. And so we went, went there and told our respective stories of what we knew about all of this.
DAVID TWICHELL: And what they say?
EDGAR MITCHELL: Well, I just told the story, just like I just told it. That was my story. That's all I know.
DAVID TWICHELL: No, but what did they say at the Pentagon?
EDGAR MITCHELL: The officer that we've talked to said: “I don't know about that, but I'll find out.” Well, he didn't get-- “I’ll get back to you.” Well, he didn't get back to me, but presumably he got back to some of the other people with me - Commander Will Miller – I am starting to get the name – and Steven Greer…
DAVID TWICHELL: Okay.
EDGAR MITCHELL: …were there with me. And he got back to Steven, I think, then saying, well, I found-- I didn't know about that, but I know where the black budget money is managed in the Pentagon. Now subsequently, he-- one of my other colleagues encountered this gentleman, this admiral in Las Vegas, where presumably he was looking into the Special Access Programs. And the story is like some presidents like Bill Clinton had sent out Walter—Webster Hubbell - to start-- to find about UFO stuff. They got rejected saying you don't really have a need to know. And this admiral was not very happy with that answer that he didn't really have need to know.
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This latest audio discovery with a clear reference to the Las Vegas encounter, additionally implies that Dr. Mitchell probably was aware about the Davis notes.
During the November 2019 interview with NY Post journalist Steven Greenstreet (which awaits to be published), Dr. Eric Davis confirmed that the notes were leaked from the estate of late astronaut Edgar Mitchell. Only a small circle of researchers was able to see raw parts of this important interview. Hopefully, it will be publicly released in the near future too.
All these statements indicate that Mitchell had Davis notes in his archives which were subsequently leaked as claimed. It seems he was aware about the exact context and circumstances of the Las Vegas meeting. However, the search for more explicit evidence on the Wilson leak still continues.
Readers are encouraged to listen the entire interview. Regarding the Wilson Leak, here are discussed topics and companion minute marks.
84:36 minute mark: Ross notes that he has done enormous amount of research on the Wilson Leak and gives his evaluation.
84:55 minute mark: Ross received a letter response from Admiral Wilson on the affair which will be included in the upcoming book.
85:21 minute mark: Ross got exclusive access to Edgar Mitchell's archives on UAPs. That archive is in the custody of Mitchell's personal friend.
86:38 minute mark: Ross comments circumstances of Eric Davis' notes.
88:35 minute mark: Wilson's letter to Ross is another denial of the affair. Ross gives additional evaluation on the origin of the leak.
88:57 minute mark: Ross on the provenance of notes: Davis provided a copy of notes to Dr. Hal Puthoff who was at the time a member of the NIDS Science Advisory Board.
89:18 minute mark: Ross has seen the flow of material between Hal Puthoff and Edgar Mitchell. Puthoff frequently shared material and Edgar kept it in his files.
89:56 minute mark: Wilson memo from Mitchell's archives has crinkles and was put into a file with a contemporaneous records from 2002-2003 period that also has identical crinkles. Memo was part of the special Mitchell's UAP folder. Folder was given to his nephew who then gave it to a previously mentioned source that Ross knows.
90:52 minute mark: Ross is very sure of the notes provenance; written by dr. Eric Davis, and Hal Puthoff sent it to Edgar Mitchell. Ross has seen the contextual background of other documents sent from NIDS to Mitchell. Custodian of Mitchell's UAP file also corresponded with Mitchell regarding US knowledge on the "recovered technology".
92:00 minute mark: Ross comments Wilson's denial and SAPs.
93:04 minute mark: Ross on the allegations in the notes, and again on the provenance.
93:33 minute mark: Ross comments conspiracy theories on the Wilson leak.
93:52 minute mark: Discussion on Mitchell's references about the Wilson/Davis meeting given in past interviews.
94:55 minute mark: Hal Puthoff's past comments on the Wilson leak discussed.
95:35 minute mark: Defense and intelligence sources on Thomas Wilson and dilemma of the security oath.