Off the Record with Two Presidents - Part 2

OFF THE RECORD WITH TWO PRESIDENTS - PART 2
Continued from Part 1

compilation and analysis by
Giuliano Marinkovic
- November 20, 2023 -

BUSH, FORD, AND THE UFO CONNECTION

According to Vallee’s diaries released in “Forbidden Science 5”, former president George H. Bush Sr. confirmed to Dr. Eric Davis that the Holloman landing represents the real event and the security was obscene. Bush was as director of the Central Intelligence Agency from January 1976 until January 1977 when newly elected Jimmy Carter took the presidential office with a new administration. Bush later became US president and has served his mandate from January 1989 to January 1993. There are several known stories related to Bush and UFOs, diligently collected by researcher Grant Cameron. One of these goes back to the 1988 presidential campaign and involves a late researcher Charles Huffer who was known for his skill to appear at such events and ask presidential candidates about UFOs.

On March 7, 1988, presidential candidate George H. Bush Sr. (the vice president under President Reagan at the time) went to President Rally in Rogers, Arkansas. While entering into a building to meet with journalists, Huffer intercepted Bush with a tape recorder ready to ask questions about UFOs. A copy of that tape was kindly shared with me by Grant Cameron back in 2000s. Here is a relevant transcript.

CHARLES HUFFER: Mr. Bush, Mr. President. Will you tell the people the truth about UFOs?

GEORGE H. BUSH: Yeah, If I can find it what it is. We are really interested.

CHARLES HUFFER: You’ll have it, you’ll have it. It’s in there. Declassify it and tell us, ok?

GEORGE H. BUSH: OK, alright.

At that moment Bush went into the building to meet with the local Arkansas journalists while Huffer stayed outside waiting with his tape recorder. After some time, Bush has appeared out of the building while Huffer immediately used opportunity shouting to Bush again. The transcript continues.

CHARLES HUFFER: Going to hold you to that promise.

GEORGE H. BUSH: Alright.

CHARLES HUFFER: OK, you’re going to get it.

GEORGE H. BUSH: Why don’t you send me some stuff?

CHARLES HUFFER: No, you’re a CIA man. You know all about that stuff.

GEORGE H. BUSH: I know some. I know a fair amount.

After these exchanges with Bush, Huffer also had a discussion with Congressman John Paul Hammerschmidt. Huffer said he will send a letter to congressman asking for help if there will be no follow up from Bush. The tape continues.

CHARLES HUFFER: I just asked if he [Bush] was going to release the information on UFOs when he got to be president. Now, he said if he can find out what it was, he would. He said he already knows a lot of stuff, Okay?

JOHN PAUL HAMMERSCHMIDT: Okay.

CHARLES HUFFER: Now, if he doesn’t do it, I am gonna write to you to get that. Will you do that?

JOHN PAUL HAMMERSCHMIDT: Alright. Okay.

CHARLES HUFFER: Will you do that?

JOHN PAUL HAMMERSCHMIDT: Of course, I will.
 
CHARLES HUFFER: Okay!

Another story involves the testimony of attorney Daniel Sheehan. According to Sheehan when Jimmy Carter became president in 1977, he requested a UFO briefing from George H. Bush Sr. who was CIA director for a short time before his resignation. Bush allegedly denied such a request to Carter. More details about the incident can be found within the episode of the Jeff Rense Program from July 10, 2000. Here is the relevant transcript within Hour 2 from 28:48 minute mark.

DANIEL SHEEHAN: I'm back at Jesuit National Headquarters in 1977. President Carter has come in January 21, 1977. It must have been around, I don't know, May or so. Was in very early summer of 1977. I get contacted by Marcia Smith. Marcia Smith was the director of the Science and Technology Division of the Congressional Research Service of the Library of Congress. And she informed me that she had been contacted by the chairman of the Science and Technology Committee of the House of Representatives, who in turn had received a directive from the President of the United States - President Jimmy Carter . . . I found this out through my discussions with the people that as soon as he [Carter] came to office in January 21, of 1977, he contacted the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, called him in and said: “I want to have the information that we have about UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence. I want to know about this, as the President.” [GM: Timeline was probably unintentionally messed up here by Sheehan since Bush’s resignation was accepted by Carter on January 10, 1977] And the person who happened to be the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency at that time was George Bush. And George Bush told him: “NO!”, that he wasn't going to give this to him, that this was information that existed on a need-to-know basis only and just simple curiosity on the part of the president wasn't adequate. If he was going to do this, he was going to have to follow a different procedure. It was going to engage all the different branches of government in authorizing this information, because they were afraid, obviously, the President Carter was going to somehow publicly reveal this. And so, Bush told him that he was going to have to go to the Science and Technology Committee of the House of Representatives in the legislative branch, to ask them to have the Congressional Research Service issue requests to have certain documents declassified, so that the whole process could go on. So, they basically were trying to stall this thing. . . . rather than have a major confrontation with George Bush, he [Carter] was going to in fact, you know, follow this process. So, he contacted the Science and Technology Committee of the House of Representatives. They in turn contacted the Library of Congress Congressional Research Service, and they were going to undertake this - two major investigations. One to attempt to establish whether or not extraterrestrial intelligence existed in our galaxy. And secondly, what the relationship of this UFO phenomenon might be to extraterrestrial intelligence. So, Marsha asked me if as Chief Counsel for the Jesuit Order in the United States and the Social Ministry Office, whether I would exercise my good offices to contact the Vatican Library in Rome, and see if we could get access through me to have me be a special consultant to the Library of Congress Congressional Research Service Task, go in and get access to this confidential section of the Vatican library and get access to this data.

Sheehan also described the same incident between Carter and Bush during May 9, 2001, Disclosure Project press conference held at National Press Club in Washington D.C. The relevant segment starts from 81:16 minute mark.

Bush’s career as a CIA director didn’t last long after Carter’s election. He quickly resigned since Carter was setting a new administration. It should be noted that this alleged incident has been denied by Carter during his July 25, 2007, appearance on “The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe” podcast. During the episode Carter has been asked directly about the alleged Bush briefing from 48:11 minute mark. The related transcript is below.

BOB NOVELLA: President Carter, in my research I've come across rumors in the UFO community that you asked then CIA director George H. W. Bush for access to the CIA UFO files, and he refused. Is there any truth to this?

JIMMY CARTER: No.

STEVEN NOVELLA: Okay, so that's just a completely fabricated rumor in the UFO community?

JIMMY CARTER: That's right. Well, I don't know, I don't say that's a rumor from the UFO community, because I've never heard it before, but it's not true.

STEVEN NOVELLA: Good, that's what we wanted to hear from the source itself so those--

JIMMY CARTER: It's not true, but I don't claim that the UFO community is promulgating such a story because I've not heard it before.

STEVEN NOVELLA: Well, we're verified that. On the internet there's many websites where they make that specific claim, so we're just trying to get you to--

JIMMY CARTER: That's not true.

However, I will emphasize that I am aware of another very credible source who has confirmed that the Bush/Carter story is essentially true while providing me with some additional details. However, due to these strongly opposing statements the story obviously remains controversial.

There is another and unexpected participant in the entire Holloman saga – former president Gerald Ford. Let’s first set the stage. He has served as a President of United States from 1974 to 1977. However, he also had a prominent UFO connection during the 1966 flap of sightings in Michigan. Due to a high public interest in these events, Ford has proposed a Congressional investigation on UFOs while he was serving as House Minority Leader. On March, 28, 1966, Ford addressed a letter to the Science and Astronautics Committee and Armed Services Committee regarding the Michigan flap where he proposed Congressional inquiry for the UFO problem.

During the media frenzy Ford gave several statements. Here is a syndicated release that was broadcast over radio on March 25, 1966.

RADIO ANNOUNCER: The prominent congressman from Michigan thinks there should be a further investigation of the strange UFO reports. House Minority Leader Gerald Ford said this today.
 
GERALD FORD: The Congress should investigate the rash of reported sightings of unidentified flying objects in Southern Michigan and other parts of the country. A congressional inquiry would be most worthwhile because the American people are becoming most interested, and in many instances very alarmed by the UFO stories. I firmly believe the American people would feel much better if there was a full-blown investigation of these alleged incidents.

His statement was also covered on March 26, 1966, by the Ann Arbor News in the news piece titled “Congressional Probe of UFO Reports Asked”. On March 27, 1966, Congressman Ford was asked about the same topic by CBS journalist David Schoumacher on the “Face the Nation” show.

DAVID SCHOUMACHER: Mr. Ford, what about flying saucers? You’ve had some in Michigan in the past week. Do you really believe in flying saucers? You’ve called for a congressional investigation?
 
GERALD FORD: Dave, we’ve had several incidents in Michigan in the last week--  incidents that many reliable good citizens felt were sufficient to justify some action by our government and not the kind of flippant answer that was given by the Air Force where the passed it off as a “swamp gas”. And in addition, there are other incidents that have happened from time to time – reportings by people who basically, I think, are fully sincere and who are honest. It seems to me that this m mystery that has been around the country with all of these various sightings does require that the Congress take a good look at it. Bring up these witnesses from the Air Force and NASA, have them interrogated by members of a House or Senate Committee. Let them put their records on the line, and let the people who have allegedly seen these unidentified flying objects come and testify. I think the American people would be more assured that there were, or were not, if such a public hearing was held.

According to researcher Grant Cameron, there are 1,700 pages of UFO documents within the Ford Library that are part of his congressional career. However, there are zero UFO documents from the era when he was vice president and president. Ford’s reluctance to discuss wider UFO issues was also noticed by filmmaker James Fox since he interviewed him over a telephone in November 2000. Fox has described the entire experience from 22:38 minute mark on “Epic Voyages with Pat Uskert” podcast episode, released on January 15, 2013. The Transcript is below.

JAMES FOX: I contacted Gerald Ford. Actually, was in touch with his Secretary Penny Circle for quite some time. And out of the blue, Gerald Ford contacts me and I will never forget it. . . .  But bottom line is that he [Ford] said: “Look, do not ask me anything further. What I will confirm with you is that I pushed for congressional hearings. I wrote that letter to the Secretary of State.“ L. Mendel Rivers, I believe it was. And he [Ford] was an advocate for transparency on the subject, and he pushed for the congressional hearings. He's like: “That is what I'll do, I'll talk about.” So, I said: “Hey, you know what. I'll take what I can get. Great.” So, I get a couple of statements from him on the phone. And then I said something like-- I figured I had a little to lose. I already got what I wanted, right? [laughter] So, I said something like: “Well, what do you know-- What do you think about the sightings over Michigan? Or what about - you know - this other stuff with UFOs?” And he [Ford] said: “I'm not prepared to talk about anything further.” Very presidential. I was like: ”Okay, Mr. President, I really appreciate that.”

James Fox’s phone interview with Gerald Ford has been released in his 2002/2007 documentary “Out of the Blue” and the segment starts from 71:45 minute mark.

Ford’s reluctance to discuss UFOs in a wider context could be related to his knowledge about more sensitive aspects of the phenomenon – potentially even related to Holloman footage. Another revelation from Canadian UFO researcher will give a possible meaning to Ford’s hesitancy.

THE SOURCE WHO PHONED BUSH AND FORD

While reading Jacques Vallee’s diary passages from “Forbidden Science 5” about Davis/Bush phone calls, I suddenly recalled a similar story. There was “another” source who allegedly also phoned George H. Bush Sr. around 2004 regarding the Holloman film. That source contacted a Canadian UFO researcher Grant Cameron. Due to the sensitivity of the topic, Cameron initially decided not to disclose the identity of the caller. He was retelling the story for years. There are even more details in Cameron’s version of the story. Besides a phone call with Bush, a mysterious source apparently also called former President Gerald Ford. Both presidents reportedly confirmed to the source they saw the Holloman landing film during their UFO briefing. Bush saw it while he was a CIA director and Ford saw it during his presidential UFO briefing. Is the story from Valles’s diaries connected with Cameron’s source? Are these stories related to the same caller – Eric Davis? Let’s first establish the historical timeline of Cameron’s insights about these phone calls.

2004

We will first go back to April 17, 2004. During the X-Conference lecture: “Glimpses of UFO Disclosure”, Cameron has revealed phone calls with Bush and Ford. The segment starts from 15:01 minute mark. The transcript is below.

GRANT CAMERON: The Holloman Air Force Base film; I now know, two US presidents off the record have confirmed the Holloman Air Force Base film was part of the UFO briefing that they received.

Cameron talked again about the phone calls on July 17, 2004, during the MUFON International UFO Symposium lecture in Denver titled: “Seeking a Checkmate Move: A Search for Conclusive Technological Evidence”. The segment starts from the 56:51 minute mark.

GRANT CAMERON: This is a story that when I got into this thing, somebody came to help me. Now, because I can't tell you who made the phone calls and which presidents were talked to, just consider it a rumor in the UFO community, But I can assure you this happened. Two presidents were contacted off the record. And basically, they were asked the question about is this somebody else's technology? There's an old story that if walks like a duck, swaddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has sex with other ducks, chances are it's a duck.
 
[audience laughs]


GRANT CAMERON: I can tell you; the questions were asked. And I can tell you what the President said. It's a duck. There was no denial. They said at no time, would they ever release the fact that they were briefed.

During the November 12, 2004, interview for popular “Coast to Coast AM” radio show, Grant Cameron and researcher Linda Moulton Howe discussed the noted phone calls and Holloman landing from 16:37 minute mark within Hour 4.

GRANT CAMERON: Now, the one interesting thing that I found, that seems to confirm that a lot of these briefings took place, was the fact that I have a friend who offered to help me out and contacted two presidents - President Ford and President Bush. They both confirmed that they had been briefed on UFOs. Both of them wouldn't identify when the date was, wouldn't go into any details - just confirmed. But they both confirmed that part of the presidential briefing involves a thing called the Holloman Air Force Base film.

2005

During his April 23, 2005, lecture at the X-Conference titled: “Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and the Politics of UFO Disclosure”, Cameron has again referenced how he was tipped off about UFO briefing that was given to Gerald Ford. The segment starts from 17:13 minute mark. The transcript is below.

GRANT CAMERON: I have a friend who helped me talk to Gerald Ford. Gerald Ford confirmed he had been briefed. The fellow asked what was the date of the briefing and Ford said: “Don't even go there. I'm not going to talk about it.” You can't state when the briefing was because then through a FOIA you can force the briefing out and the briefing should contain the official information and what the US government knows.

Cameron was interviewed on September 8, 2005, for Stuart Miller’s Phenomena magazine. During the interview, Cameron has shortly commented his knowledge of the Bush/Ford phone calls. Screenshot of relevant excerpt is below.

2009

On January 17, 2009, Cameron was a guest on Alejandro Rojas’ Open Minds Radio podcast. He has again shortly referenced the phone call with Gerald Ford who was willing to confirm he saw the Holloman footage shown in the UFO briefing but didn’t want to expand further. Cameron said he has received a lot of flak because he has released that story. The segment starts from 77:26 minute mark.

In another interview that most likely also happened around 2009, Cameron has explained further why he has received “a lot of flak” for revealing the Bush/Ford story. The source/caller eventually learned that Cameron was spreading the story about these phone calls on interviews and lectures, and was not happy about it. Cameron talks about the entire situation from 33:43 minute mark. The transcript is below.

GRANT CAMERON: The only thing I know and I still haven't released the name of the guy-- But I had a close friend who talked to me until I talked about this. And he said: “Can't you keep your damn mouth shot?” And I said: “Well, you know, whatever.” Because it was supposed to be confidential. . . . But it was an important thing, and that was that he had talked to two presidents. And he had come to me looking for Jimmy Carter's phone number. And he had already talked and he was tracking-- One of the big stories I've always tracked is the Holloman Air Force Base film. . . . And these two presidents claimed to have seen this film, and this is what this fella was actually researching. For example, he asked Ford. And that's the key thing-- is the briefing. He asked Ford. He said: “Well, when were you briefed?” And Ford says: “I'm not going to tell you, don't even go there. I'm not telling you when I was briefed.”

2011

Cameron’s retelling of the Bush/Ford phone calls continued on September 26, 2011, when his interview for Greg Bishop’s Radio Misterioso podcast was released. He again explained how he received criticism after the source learned these phone calls were revealed. Relevant segments start from 45:27 and 58:57 minute mark. The transcript follows below.

GRANT CAMERON: There was a leak. One of the people had talked to two of the presidents and I leaked this thing. And it sorts of got out and then-- The guy came back to me and said: “Can't you keep your damn mouth shut? I told you it was highly classified.” And basically, what I wrote back was you know: “Sorry for all this sort of stuff.” But the point of the matter is, you get this Aviary guys-- . . . And they trust each other because they can all keep it quiet. . . . They won't talk to me because I can't keep my mouth shut. . . . They may all sit there and figure it out for themselves and figure out what's going on, but you're never going to know about it, which to me was a total waste of time. . . . The guy leaked the fact that he talked to two presidents was about the Holloman Air Force Base film, and both Bush Senior and Ford said - Yes, they seen the Holloman Air Force film.

2013

In his October 8, 2013, blog piece titled “UFOs – What does the President Know?”, Cameron has shortly referenced Bush/Ford knowledge of the Holloman footage. Extracted screenshot is below.

2016

Cameron has shared even more details about the Bush/Ford phone calls on May 10, 2016, in a crucial interview for Martin Willis’s Podcast UFO show. The relevant segment starts from 51:46 minute mark, and related transcript is below.

GRANT CAMERON: I had a guy fool me one time and say: “You got Jimmy Carter's phone number?” And I said: “What you mean I got Jimmy Carter’ phone number?” And this is a high-level guy that's connected to-- I don't want to say who the scientist is, but you know the scientist. And he works for him [GM: Most likely Cameron Is telling here that the source is working for Dr. Hal Puthoff]. . . . And so, this scientist, this PhD astrophysicist guy phones me up and says: “Do you got Jimmy Carter's phone number?” And I said: “Well, no, I'm a Canadian. Why would I have Jimmy Carter's phone number? I don’t have Jimmy Carter's phone number.” And I said: “Well, what do you want his phone number for?” He said: “Well, I just talked to Bush and I talked to Ford, about the Holloman Air Force Base film.” . . . And so, what they're trying to do is to confirm the story. And what he told me through-- They all belong to this foreign intelligence group. And I can’t remember what the name of the group is. [GM: Most likely Cameron Is referencing here ‘Association of Former Intelligence Officers’ - AFIO] But, that's how he got to these people. So, Ford and Bush Senior, both belong to this group. So, he got a hold of them. And he asked Ford. He said: “Did you see the Holloman Air Force Base film during your briefing?” And Ford says: “Yes, I saw it.” And he said: “Well, was it A-12?” Because there's all this stuff like Coleman and people putting out. Oh, it was A-12. Oh, it was a psychological film to test the troops and stuff like that. So, he asked him: “Was it A-12?” “No.” Was it a psychological film?” “No.” . . . He said to Ford: “When was the briefing?” He said: “I'm not going there. Don't even bother to ask.” Because if you get the briefing, you get the date of the briefing and who was in the briefing, then you can start to dig for the documents. He said: “I'm not even gonna go there.” He asked Bush Senior: “Did you see the Holloman Air Force Base film?” He said: “Yes, I saw it but not in my presidential briefing. I saw it as CIA director.”

We can correlate these statements directly with multiple points from Vallee’s diaries implying that Cameron and Valle are probably retelling the same story connected with the same source: Dr. Eric Davis. We can finally connect these points with a higher probability:
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• Cameron’s source is a PHD astrophysicist and “high-level guy” = most likely Eric Davis who also has intelligence connections thanks to his career in intelligence projects (Davis previously worked for US Air Force and classified projects in South Korea).
  
  
• Cameron’s source works for another scientist = most likely Hal Puthoff since both Puthoff and Davis were tracking crash retrieval leads for years (which can be also seen in Vallee’s diaries). Davis also previously worked for Puthoff’s company EarthTech.
  
  
• Cameron’s source has been able to talk with former presidents Bush and Ford because all of them were members of the same intelligence association = most likely: AFIO - Association of Former Intelligence Officers. The same point has been also emphasized in Valle’s diary entry from March 26, 2004, in “Forbidden Science 5”.
  
  

All these important arguments are leading us closer to the resolution of this puzzle.

2017

Fast forward to August 1, 2017. This time Cameron is a guest on Jimmy Church’s “Fade to Black“ show. He has again emphasized important points about the Bush/Ford phone calls. The source was able to call former presidents because all of them were members of an intelligence association. Cameron’s retelling completely fits with Vallee’s diaries as it was already noted above. The segment starts from 125:21 minute mark. The transcript is below.

GRANT CAMERON: A number of years ago, I ran up a guy who was connected to Aviary. He wasn't Avery guy, but he was connected. He knew all the Aviary guys. And he phoned me up and he said: “Have you got Jimmy Carter's phone number?” . . . I said: “No. I don’t have Jimmy Carter's phone number.” I said: “What do you want Jimmy Carter's phone number for?” And he said: “Because I just talked to Bush Senior and I talked to Gerald Ford. And we're trying to find out about the Holloman Air Force Base film.” . . . “Well, I phoned up these two guys and I talked to them.” I said: “Really?” And he said: “Yeah, I have this--” Whatever it's called - Former Intelligence Officers-- Association of Former Intelligence Officers, whatever. And this guy was a member and so was Bush and so was Ford. . . . So, he said to Bush Senior. He said: “Did you see the Holloman Air Force Base film?” And Bush said: “Yes, I saw it.” And he said: “Well, was it an A-12?” Because there were all these stories being put out that it was A-12. It was all these counter intelligence things are being put out. He said: “No, it wasn't A-12. No, it wasn't a psychological operation.” No, it wasn't this, no, it wasn't that. “I'm not going to tell you what it was. But yes, I saw the film. But I didn't see it as when I was briefed for president. I saw it as CIA director.” Then he phones up Ford. And Ford said: “Yes, I saw the film as well. And I saw it during my presidential briefing.” . . . So, the guy says to him: “Well, when was the briefing?” And Ford says: “I'm never going to tell you when the briefing is, don't even go there.” . . . So anyway, he tells me the story. And then I start to leak this story. And I told somebody and it got back to him. And he said: “This was confidential.” And it’s like, you're supposed to tell me it's confidential before you tell me the story, okay. . . . Told me the story and then said: “Okay, now you're sworn to secrecy.” It doesn't work that way.

Grant Cameron has also covered Bush/Ford phone calls in these books: “The Clinton UFO Storybook: Extraterrestrial Politics in the White House (2016)” and “Managing Magic: The Government's UFO Disclosure Project” (2017)”. However, in 2023 a new data will come to the light about the entire affair.

IDENTITY REVEALED

After the release of “Forbidden Science 5”, researcher Richard Dolan has published a video analysis of Vallee’s diaries. The Bush/Davis call was covered from 33:51 minute mark where Dolan has described this affair as “a nice little bombshell”.

Researcher David Haith has posted a Twitter thread on March 15, 2023, summarizing the topic and Dolan’s video.

Since the story was gaining popularity, I have finally decided to reach out to Grant Cameron in an attempt to confirm my suspicion that his source regarding Bush/Ford phone calls is the same person – Dr. Eric Davis. I have decided to ask him directly over email on the same day of Dolan’s video release – March 15, 2023. The original email is below.

Silence on the other side. I don’t blame my good friend. It was not an easy question to answer at that stage. At least Cameron was now aware that the story is getting traction in the public domain and that Davis’ name was outed. It is now his decision if he wants to take the next step at some point. Cameron’s reply finally arrived on May 10, 2023, in the form of his new book: “Jimmy Carter: Paranormal and UFO Tales”.

Within the chapter “The Holloman Film”, Cameron has finally confirmed Eric Davis as his source who phoned Bush and Ford. Since Vallee’s has outed Davis in “Forbidden Science 5“, Cameron writes that the time has arrived to tell his part of the story too. He notes Davis called him around the same time (2004) confirming he spoke with Bush and Ford about the Holloman landing film on the basis they were all members of AFIO.  Gerald Ford confirmed he saw Holloman footage during his presidential briefing, while Bush said he saw it as a CIA director. Cameron recalls that both presidents were asked about cover stories for Holloman landing like A-12 incident and psychological training film. Bush denied these cover stories, but didn’t want to go further confirm it as an actual “alien landing film”. However, from Vallee’s diaries we know that Bush additionally commented to Davis: “It was a real thing. Davis initially called Cameron looking for Jimmy Carter’s phone number. He didn’t have it, and we don’t know if Davis has been subsequently able to reach Carter regarding the Holloman film.
The new book on Jimmy Carter has been released, and it was now a matter of time before Cameron starts to out Davis’ name in podcast and radio interviews. Such an opportunity happened on May 24, 2023, in Dave Scott’s Spaced Out Radio show. The relevant segment starts from 21:52 minute mark. The transcript is below.

GRANT CAMERON: And then we know that Gerald Ford talked to Eric Davis. I bring this up in the book. This is something I released that that has never been released before. . . . About 20 years ago, I was looking for-- I was good friend with Robert Emenegger . . . Bob Emenegger ran a documentary called “UFOs: Past, Present and Future” in 1975. It was set up by the American government to disclose a bunch of UFO stories. And one of the things that they gave them was the Holloman Air Force Base film. And Bob had this in his possession with Allan Sandler, his associate producer, friend. And they had this this film, and in the early 2000s NIDS was looking for this film. Hal Puthoff was extremely interested in this film. Jacques Vallee was interested in the film. Kit Green-- They’re all trying to find this Holloman Air Force Base film. Was it an actual film? Did this actually take place? . . . So, the story was that the film had been held by Robert Emenegger and then it had to be sent back to the Pentagon because they said the time wasn’t right to release the film. . . . And as I said, NIDS was trying to find this thing. And then what happened was - if you read Jacques Vallee’s book-- Jacques Vallee actually now outs the story. And he tells a story that Eric Davis phoned up Bush Senior. And this is in the book, I tell the whole story. And Eric Davis has told me this story 20 years ago. And the counter story was, oh, this was A-12 that it flamed out. It was a psychological film by the US Air Force. It was a training film by the Air Force. And there were all these various stories they put out to counter what was on this [Holloman] film. . . .  So, as I said, NIDS was looking for this thing. And Eric Davis, because he was a former intelligence officer, a lot of people don't know that-- Eric started in intelligence. He's a member of the former intelligence officers . . . And so, he phoned up President Bush. And he said to him: “Hey, did you ever see the Holloman Air Force Base film?” And Bush said: “Yeah, I saw it.” And he said: “Did you see it in your presidential briefing?” And he said: “No, I didn't see it in my presidential briefing. I saw it in when I was a CIA director.” Now this is Jacques Vallee telling the story. Jacques tells us what Eric told him the story [GM: Hall Puthoff told the story to Jacques Vallee according to Forbidden Science 5]. And Eric told me the same story. And so, he said: ”Was it a psychological film?” “No.” “Was it a was it a training film? “ “No.” “Was it A-12 Flaming up?” “No.” He said: “Well, what was it?” And Bush said to him: “It was the real deal. It was super-secret security around this thing.” And then the part I released in the book, because if Jacques Vallee can tell the story, well, then I'll tell the rest of the story that Eric Davis told me. He'd also phoned up Gerald Ford, because he was former intelligence. . . . And he said to Gerald Ford: “Did you see the Holloman Air Force Base film in your presidential briefing?” And he said: “Yeah, I saw it.” And he said: “Well, when was the briefing?” And Ford says: “I'm not going to tell you when the briefing is. Don't even go there.” . . . NIDS was actually going to bring in Paul Shartle who is the security manager who actually gave it to arrange the film for Emenegger to do this film. He was a security manager at Norton Air Force Base. . . . And so, NIDS was going to bring in Paul Shartle about the time that I was dealing with him. And the reason they were dealing with me was because I knew Bob Emenegger so well, and they were saying: “What did Bob tell you? What do you know about the film?”, all this kind of stuff. And they were trying to find out from me. They're trying to gather this. So, NIDS was gonna bring in Paul Shartle. And two weeks before he was to appear at NIDS to be interviewed by all the NIDS people, he died in a rollover car accident. . . .  I said to Bob: “Hey, Bob, you said they took the [Holloman] film back.” He said: “Yeah, they took the film. We got the request from Coleman. And Coleman said it's got to come back to the Pentagon. And these two heavyset people were in a small Datsun. And they got the film and they were in LA. That's where they were filming this thing. And they took the film, and they put it in the back of a Datsun. And they drove across the country back to the Pentagon to take this film back.” . . . “There's a producer out of Vancouver . . . And we are also going after another film that Bob Emenegger said they had - a top secret film, which was the Vandenberg launch. . . . The producer-- I've provided him with all the phone numbers and everything. And we're going after it. The rumor story was James Fox almost got it. But Allan Sandler who had it—wanted $25,000, just to view the film, and I asked Bob about that. And he said: “Yeah, I think Allan got the film, top secret film, never gave it back.” . . . Bob Emenegger gives me the CIA agent’s name who was on the [documentary] set the whole time. He was dealing with the communication director with Richard Nixon the entire time. He was phoned every day during this this documentary. He [Emenegger] was friends with Haldeman who was the Chief of Staff of Richard Nixon. “ . . . And it [Emenegger’s documentary] was financed by MacArthur. The MacArthur Foundation gave them $250,000 to do that documentary. And then at the end, MacArthur said: “Oh, by the way, could you please keep my name off the credits? I don't want my name on the credits. You can keep the money, but I don't want my name on the credits.” And so, there was a lot of money put into this documentary. . . .  George Bush said; “It's the real deal and the security was immense.” And that's backed up by Jacques Vallee and it's backed up by Eric Davis.

The promotional podcast tour for Cameron’s book continued. On May 28, 2023, he appeared on “Coast to Coast AM“ radio show. From the 04:48 minute mark within Hour 2, Cameron again confirmed Eric Davis as the person who phoned presidents Bush and Ford about Holloman landing film. The transcript is below.

GRANT CAMERON: Hall Puthoff and NIDS were big time into-- what was trying to get was Holloman Air Force Base film. And this is the story that-- Jacques Vallee tells a story that Eric Davis had phoned up Bush Senior looking for to see whether the Holloman Air Force Base film was real. And he said to him: “Did you see the film?” And Bush said: “Yeah, I saw it. I didn't see it as in my presidential briefing. I saw it as CIA director.” . . . And so, when Eric Davis asked Bush about it, he said: “There was all these counter stories. It was a flame out of A-12. It was camera lenses. It was counterintelligence. It was a training film.” . . . And he says: “Is it this, is it this?” And Bush said: “No, no, no, no, no.” And Bush says to Eric Davis: “This is the real deal. It was the real deal.” And then I add in the book because I was told this story years and years ago. If Jacques Vallee tells the story, let’s tell the rest of the story. And that was he also talked to Gerald Ford and asked Gerald Ford: “Did you see the Holloman Air Force Base film in your briefing?” And he said: “Yeah, I saw it.” And Eric said: “Well, when was the briefing?” And Ford says: “I'm never telling you when the briefing is, don't even go there.” … NIDS was big time into that film. They were trying to get that film. They were trying to track it down. Hall Puthoff talked to me because I was friends with Bob Emenegger. “What do you know? What did Bob tell you about the film?” They were trying to track this thing down. And NIDS was actually going to bring in the Paul Shartle, who was actually gone on camera and said: “Yes, I saw the film and there was an alien on it.” And it landed and the whole bit. And NIDS was gonna bring him in. And two weeks before they were going to bring him to Las Vegas, he dies in a rollover car accident, which starts all sorts of other rumors.

During the June 28, 2023, appearance on The Moore Show, Cameron confirmed Bush/Ford/Davis phone calls once again from 61:03 minute mark. The relevant transcript is below. 

GRANT CAMERON: I already knew the story that Eric Davis who's a very prominent guy in the UFO community now, with UFO rumored stories and stuff like that-- had talked to me 20 years ago, and he told me that he had phoned up president, Gerald Ford, and asked him: “Did you see the Holloman Air Force Base film during your presidential briefing?” And Ford said: “Yeah, I saw it.” And he said: “Well, when was the briefing?” “I'm not going to tell you, don't even go there.” And he also phoned up George Bush. He said: “Was it an A-12?” There were all these counter explanations. “Was it A-12? Was it a psychological film? Was it a training film?” And Bush said: “No, no, no, no.” He said it was the real deal and security was immense for this project. So, I already knew that two presidents had been shown this film of the Holloman Air Force Base film.

Grant Cameron has finally revealed that his source who phoned Bush and Ford was Eric Davis, which completed the correlation with Vallee’s diaries. However, let’s see what else could be historically confirmed regarding these phone calls with some help of digital archeology.

DIGITAL ARCHAEOLOGY

Throughout this article we could read multiple references about Eric Davis’ phone calls with former presidents Bush and Ford. Both presidents apparently confirmed off the record they have seen the Holloman landing film. Bush reportedly commented “it was the real thing”. We could read that Davis was able to call Bush and Ford because all of them were members of AFIO - Association of Former Intelligence Officers. Vallee notes in “Forbidden Science 5“ that Bush was a vice-chairman of AFIO. Is there any additional evidence this is the case? We will try to confirm that with digital archaeology.

We currently know that Vallee’s diary note about Davis’ phone call with Bush is from March 26, 2004. From the textual context we can conclude that reported phone conversations probably happened relatively close to diary date. Vallee writes: “Eric is now in touch with . . . George Bush, Sr.” - implying a relatively recent development – probably within the last few months up to March 2004. Let’s see if we can verify Bush’s AFIO membership around that time. Here are the steps that can be replicated. We will go to the wayback machine archive.org where we will enter the URL link for the AFIO website: www.afio.com. Wayback machine will return multiple dates throughout different years. Let’s select a closest available date to the Vallee’s entry = March 27, 2004. From there select the option “About AFIO”.  Please see the screenshot below.

Page which is describing AFIO organization will open. Scroll down until you see the list of members. Under AFIO membership there is a top section titled: “HONORARY BOARD OF DIRECTOR and Co-Chairmen”. Both George H. W. Bush and Gerald R. Ford are listed, which fits exactly with phone calls timeline described by Jacques Vallee and Grant Cameron. Please see the screenshot.

But what about Eric Davis? We can also find him listed as an AFIO member within the organization’s newsletter issue of Summer 2006. Go to the page 20 where AFIO members who donated in 2005 are listed. Please see the screenshots below.

Dr. Eric Davis is listed there as a patron member who donated to AFIO between $100 - $499. Screenshot is below.

We can conclude that circumstantial conditions existed in 2004 where Davis could actually call Bush and Ford since they were all AFIO members and a conversation could probably continue after such a connecting point was established in the opening phone introduction. It appears that NIDS was attempting to confirm the authenticity of the Holloman landing film through a variety of different channels. In “Forbidden Science 3”, Vallee writes on December 20, 1989, that Hal Puthoff found a source who tracked two people who claim they were at Holloman Air Force Base in 1964 and did witness the UFO landing. Apparently, a pilot saw it from above and reported it to APRO group. Back in 1964, APRO bulletin released an entire piece about the Holloman landing. Another Vallee’s February 3, 1996, entry from ”Forbidden Science 4“ has been posted by Grant Cameron on his Facebook page. Screenshot is below.

Another Vallee’s entry in “Forbidden Science 5” is dated on May 11, 2002. John Alexander (NIDS member) claims he was talking with a man who confiscated the Holloman landing film. According to source, the Holloman incident represents A-12 airplane which flamed out (this is the same theory that was distributed by Colonel Coleman as already noted in this piece). Of course, we also have that legendary diary note from March 26, 2004, that is related to Davis’ phone call with Bush. Vallee adds in that entry that Holloman film remains to be fixation for him, Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis.

I have also consulted my copies of internal NIDS documentation and correspondence that I got from a good source some time ago. While trying to confirm if NIDS had any documented references on Holloman, I located a copy of a transcript from 1976 KTRH radio interview with Robert Emenegger. It was extracted from Linda Moulton Howe’s book “An Alien Harvest” and put in their files. This specific selection is also implying a certain interest towards the Holloman affair. However, I should emphasize that my collection of NIDS documentation is not complete.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK AND CRASHED SAUCERS

During a long research process for this article, I have re-examined another story which is also apparently centered around Dr. Eric Davis. It appeared back in 2003 thanks to researchers Grant Cameron and Dr. David Rudiak. General Wesley Clark was a Democratic candidate for President in 2003. During a campaign event from September 27, 2003, in New Hampshire, Clark expressed his belief that humans someday will be able to “travel faster than the speed of light”. A senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics - Gary Melnick - had to react to such an intriguing Clark’s standpoint. His comments were published in September 30, 2003, piece published in Wired magazine. Relevant screenshot is below.

The excellent summary of these events is presented on David Rudiak’s website with companion audio tracks.

Grant Cameron has sent audio recording with a peculiar Clark’s statement on faster-than-light travel to several well-connected players. One of these contacts replied back: “Clark has been given access to crashed saucer material.”

Cameron subsequently sent an open request to any UFO researcher that could intercept Clark on a campaign trail to ask him a follow-up questions. Researcher David Rudiak took the call, went into action and encountered Clark in Reno, Nevada on October 30, 2004, during a campaign rally on behalf of John Kerry. Rudiak wrote down a transcript of the exchange from his memory immediately after the event. He asked Clark explicitly if he was ever briefed on UFOs. Rudiak describes that Clark looked down for a moment and shook his head, and then said he heard a bit, adding he is going to be in Roswell tonight. That didn’t put Rudiak off the track, so he asked again if he was briefed. Clark replied that there are things going on but we will have to work on our own mathematics. The story continued on December 19, 2005. User “meshuggah1324” sent another question about UFO briefing over Wesley Clark's blog. This time Clark simply replied he was never briefed on Roswell. Screenshot of that exchange is below.

There can be three possible conclusions regarding this affair. Wesley Clark is either telling the truth about his lack of knowledge, he was briefed about UFOs in general but not about Roswell or he is just covering his tracks after the element of surprise was lost and such questions became too hot. A similar outcome also possibly happened with Dick D’Amato as reported in this piece.

Once again, readers are encouraged to read an excellent summary about Wesley Clark on David Rudiak’s website. Additionally, Cameron presented these events during his April 20, 2008, lecture at the X-Conference. The segment with Wesley Clark starts from 15:35 minute mark.

Cameron also presented another overview of this story during his November 19, 2005, interview for “Binall of America“ podcast. We will now focus on the actual source who has sent email confirmation regarding Clark’s access to crash retrievals. The segment starts from 10:51 minute mark. The transcript is below.

GRANT CAMERON: When Wesley Clark was campaigning-- He was a four-star general, the highest rank that the US military now gives to generals. . . . So, he comes up on the campaign trail. He's very interested in space. And he's asked a question in the New Hampshire campaign just when the 2004 election starts. He's campaigning, he's one of the leaders in there, the Democrats, and he makes a statement in an answer to a question by Jay Buckley, who was one of the shuttle astronauts. And Buckley asked him: “What's your vision of space?” And Wesley Clark was into this rant about space: “I've always wondered about space. The interesting part of space. And I've always believed that we can go past the speed of light. And I've argued with physicists about it. And they don't believe it. But I believe we can.” And I'm going, this is bizarre. Four-star general actually thinks we can go pass speed of light. So, I put this out. . . . And so, I started asking people. . . . There's a bunch of guys who are former intelligence type people who are sort of had some experience with UFOs in the past, and didn't get the whole story and were worked around Bill Moore, and these guys sort of became the birds.
 
TIM BINALL: The Aviary?
 
GRANT CAMERON: The Aviary. And so, I've sort of known-- I've dealt with all the people indirectly one way or the other. And I've got questions to them. And if they believe my question was legitimate, I may get some sort of indirect answer back. So, I put somebody who has a major contact with the birds, who passes these questions to me. And I said: “Wesley Clark has said this, and what do you think?” And I got back from the guy who passes the question. I got back a simple email reply which said: “One of the birds said, Clark has been given a briefing on crashed flying saucers.” So holy cow! So, I've started contacting MUFON state directors all over the United States. . . . And nobody would ask the question until-- And one of the people who had actually first turned me down on the question and said - he really didn't know anyone who would ask the question - was Dr. David Rudiak, who's just outside of Berkeley. . . . But near the end, two days before the election ended, Wesley Clark was out of the campaign, but he was campaigning for Kerry. And he was in Reno, Nevada, and he was heading for Roswell, the very next day. . . . So, he was in Reno and David Rudiak has been in the University of Reno, and he was researching there. . . .  At the end, he decided to ask him the question. So, he said: “General Clark, I'd like to ask you, in your time in the military, have you ever been briefed on the subject of UFOs? And if so, when was it? What were you told?” And Wesley Clark again, stumbled. He said: “Yeah, I know some of it.” He said: “In fact, I'm going to Roswell tonight.” And Rudiak being smart-- because the way what happens is they'll indirectly answer your question. . . . He went back to the original question. He said: “So you have been briefed?” And then Clark said: “Well, I know some. We've got a problem with the mathematics”, which is a very revealing statement. . . . And so, the Western Clark thing is another one that you had a guy who was caught off guard. He's a guy who was briefed. And you ask him the question, and they will give you a little piece of the story. They won't answer the question.

From the segment above we can see that Cameron is describing his source as a person who has “major contacts” with Aviary – ufology insiders with intelligence connections. That source is passing Cameron’s questions to Aviary and then relaying received info back. Additionally, in the David Rudiak’s summary we can see that Cameron’s source was part of NIDS.

Same point about the NIDS source was also emphasized in the Linda Moulton Howe’s Earthfiles interview with Cameron. Linda also referenced NIDS contact during her November 9, 2004, appearance in the popular radio show “Coast to Coast AM”. The relevant segment on Wesley Clark starts from 16:19 minute mark within Hour 1. The transcript is below.

LINDA MOULTON HOWE: And one other place that Grant checked in with concerning General Clark had he ever been briefed was the then existing NIDS – the National Institute for Discovery Science – which is now closed his door. But earlier this year Grant has checked in with couple of people there that he knew and that were well connected. And he asked them did they have any knowledge about General Clark’s talking about going travel faster than the speed of light on the campaign trail and he’s possibly having being briefed about UFO technology. And this was a quote: “A bird told me that Clark has been given access to crash saucer material.”

Let’s now connect the Wesley Clark story with a Bush/Ford phone calls we already covered. The connecting bridge on these two stories starts from 23:50 minute mark in the Binall interview. The transcript is below.

GRANT CAMERON: I had a friend - the same guy who passes the questions to the birds – who has intelligence background, and was able to actually, on my behalf talk to two former sitting presidents. And so, one of them was Gerald Ford. And Gerald Ford confirmed that he'd seen the Holloman Air Force Base film, that he'd been briefed on UFOs. Even though in public, he'll always say that he really tried to get information and wasn't able to get anything and this sort of stuff. But confirmed that he was and he was asked a question when was the briefing. And at that point, Gerald Ford says: “I'm never going to admit I was briefed. So don't even go there.”

These transcripts are strongly implying that Cameron’s NIDS source who was passing questions to Aviary is the same person who phoned Bush and Ford. Let’s compare again these two important bridging statements.

13:01 minute mark:
GRANT CAMERON: So, I put somebody who has a major contact with the birds, who passes these questions to me. And I said: “Wesley Clark has said this, and what do you think?” And I got back from the guy who passes the question. I got back a simple email reply which said: “One of the birds said, Clark has been given a briefing on crashed flying saucers.”


23:50 minute mark:
GRANT CAMERON: I had a friend - the same guy who passes the questions to the birds – who has intelligence background, and was able to actually, on my behalf talk to two former sitting presidents.

The conclusion is unavoidable. Since we now know from today’s perspective that Cameron’s source who phoned Bush and Ford is Eric Davis, the transcribed points above strongly imply Davis was also the person who sent email confirmation about Wesley Clark’s access to crash retrievals. On top of that, Eric Davis was also a NIDS member. Of course, there is always a valid possibility that Cameron potentially misspoke during that segment. If that is the case, another candidate/source regarding insights into Wesley Clark’s briefing could be Hal Puthoff. However, the extracted segments above are strongly pointing to Davis.

Clark’s references to UFOs were slightly rekindled almost 18 years after his campaign trail. I discovered that on June 30, 2021, Clark was interviewed for the platform Wondrium. It was a promotional appearance regarding several lectures he created for that platform. However, in the later part of the interview viewers started to ask a variety of questions. Host Julie Stoltz read a couple of them. From 49:01 and 59:19 minute mark topics went into Space Force and UFOs. Clark quickly made another disclaimer that he hasn’t seen any classified UFO reports. However, he immediately made an enthusiastic speech about UFOs and how much such interests can contribute to science and inspire young people. He even touched his old fixation regarding faster than speed travel. He concluded with a hypothetical landing of a starship with little men getting out, and how such an event could have “enormous impact on human civilization”. It is ironic that such a stereotypical image of “arriving aliens” can also describe a controversial Holloman landing film. The video clipping with these segments is available here. The transcript is below.

JULIE STOLTZ: Well, I'm getting notifications that people want to know your opinions on the new declassified UFO reports.
 
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: I'm really interested in it myself. And, of course, I haven't seen the classified reports. So hard to believe there's not something there. It's really hard to believe. I know, we don't have a technology that these old rhomboids can go at 10 times the speed of sound and dive into the water and disappear. If that's a real event, which apparently was detected by radar and other things, and, you know, there must be something there. What is it? We don't know. But I think so far as the interest in UFOs creates an inspiration to push the boundaries of science, that's a good thing. . . . So today, there are people who say, well, we'll never go faster than the speed of light. It's a universal constraint. There are people who doubt that there are other civilizations out there. Well, the thing is, we don't know. We don't know.
 
JULIE STOLTZ: That’s a beauty.
 
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Are there limits at a human knowledge? We don't know. But if you accept those limits, yeah, there'll be limits. If you continue to push it, who knows? And so, I'm pretty excited by the reaction to the UFO reports. I hope they'll encourage young people to get serious about science, learn about the universe, study astronomy. What's a black hole? Why is the speed of what-- What is quantum mechanics? Why are the laws of quantum mechanics seem to disagree with the laws of general relativity? And isn't it-- Who says we can't have a warp drive?
 
JULIE STOLTZ: [laughs with thumbs up]


GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: We don't know the answer to that. So, I'm glad to see some interest in these UFOs if for no other reason than that.
 
JULIE STOLTZ: Absolutely. We just gotta keep pushing the boundaries and see what happens. And maybe we will have Star Trek. [laughs]


GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, it obviously would be [laugh] an enormous impact on human civilization if a star ship landed and one of these little men with the big eyes, waddled out and said: “Take me to your leader.”
 
JULIE STOLTZ: That would shake things up. [laugh]
 
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: I don't think that's going to happen. Could happen. We don't know.
 
JULIE STOLTZ: We don't know. [laughs]

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: But it's, you know, one of the great gifts of humanity is imagination, and curiosity. And men and women have always wanted to push the frontiers. They've always wanted to go to the unknown. And the UFO discussion is one more example of keep pushing. We don't know what's out there.
 
JULIE STOLTZ: The truth is out there.

Based on analysis presented in this chapter, it appears Eric Davis was once again a crucial source on sensitive UFO information and inside knowledge.

THE AFTERMATH

Are there any additional findings about the Holloman controversy? What can we learn beyond the compilation presented so far in this article? On December 2022, journalist and founder of Liberation Times - Christopher Sharp - was a guest at the Reddit AMA event. He was asked by the user “GodzillaLazerEyes” if there is “any standing data or rumor for the number of different alien species visiting earth”. Sharp wrote back that “three separate reliable sources” told him that “the Holloman Air Force Base visitation was real”.

I am also aware that one of the participants from a well-connected circle of players and extremely close to the whole Holloman affair (identity known to the author) shortly commented in 2022 that Holloman footage was “corroborated as historically accurate and well documented by the USG”. All these events are additionally boosting the importance of investigations performed by NIDS personnel on UFOs. Davis has allegedly met with Admiral Wilson. He is apparently aware about Wesley Clark’s inside UFO knowledge and validity of the Holloman landing film. It appears that Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff collected and cross-referenced a vast amount of internal information on “UFO crash retrieval program(s)”. In the July 20, 2023, The New York Times article by journalists Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, Davis stated he gave classified briefings in 2019 on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee and Senate Intelligence Committee. As reported in the piece, he additionally briefed the Defense Department agency in 2020 about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth”. He currently works as a Senior Project Engineer for a defense contractor – The Aerospace Corporation. Both Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff should be considered as important and valuable sources on these topics.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Giuliano Marinkovic is a former electronic warfare SIGINT specialist of the Croatian Army, and former communications specialist of Aerial Observing and Navigation radar unit of the Croatian Air Force. As an investigative journalist he reports from 1996 about military and aviation UAP cases for variety of Croatian media outlets like Croatian Public Television, Croatian Public Radio, and several national magazines. He has produced several investigative TV specials and radio interviews with pilots and radar specialists involved in the incidents above former Yugoslavia. Marinkovic has located and interviewed former MIG-21 pilots who were on a special assignment to intercept UAPs in 1975. His reporting have been also covered by the OpenMinds portal and Sarasota Herald-Tribune journalist Billy Cox in two 2014 pieces: “Sympathy for the hounds” and “A splash without ripples”. Marinkovic was interviewed for several US outlets/shows like: Errol Bruce-Knapp’s Strange Days Indeed on CFRB 1010 Radio in Toronto, Coast to Coast AM, Mystery Wire, Vice, and others. He curates one of the largest UAP media archives including AATIP media and The Pentagon UFO Briefing listings. Marinkovic is the author of the private 2019 report on the Wilson/Davis notes titled “Forsaken Poseidon” which was subsequently delivered to Congressional staffers. He also wrote a series of public articles on the Wilson/Davis notes listed below.

• May 24, 2020 - Dick D’Amato’s Official Position on UFO Crashes
• June 6, 2020 - The Wilson Leak and the NIDS Connection
• July 5, 2020 - Edgar Mitchell's Emails
• July 8, 2020 - Encounter in Las Vegas
• July 11. 2020 - Independent Corroboration
• July 22. 2020 - Subtle Wilson Leak References Found in Vallee’s Novel
• August 2, 2020 - Talking with Wilson...
• October 7, 2020 - Edgar Mitchell on Audio: "One of my other colleagues encountered this admiral in Las Vegas."
• ​August 9, 2021 - Wilson vs Shannon
• ​May 24, 2022 - The Wilson/Davis Notes Back in the Forefront / Brandon Fugal's Tweets on W/D Notes
• June 5, 2022 - Dr. John Alexander Replies to Jonathan Davies on the Wilson/Davis Notes...

 
Marinkovic is currently stationed in Ireland.